Nunavut Hansard — 28 February 2024 (6th Assembly, 2nd Session, Day 70, Official Report, pp. 4343–4431)

2024-02-28, 6th Assembly 2nd Session, Day 70

Nunavut — Debates (Hansard)

Nunavut Canada LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF NUNAVUT 2nd Session 6th Assembly HANSARD Official Report DAY 70 Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Pages 4343 – 4431 Iqaluit Speaker: The Honourable Tony Akoak, MLA

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut Speaker Hon. Tony Akoak (Gjoa Haven) Officers Clerk John Quirke Deputy Clerk Stephen Innuksuk Law Clerk Michael Chandler Sergeant-at-Arms John Topic Hansard Production Innirvik Support Services Box 1200 Iqaluit, Nunavut, X0A 0H0 Tel (867) 975-5000 Fax (867) 975-5190 Toll-Free (877) 334-7266 Website: www.assembly.nu.ca Hon. David Akeeagok (Quttiktuq) Minister of Economic Development and Transportation; Minister of Justice; Minister responsible for Labour Hon. P.J.

Akeeagok (Iqaluit-Niaqunnguu) Premier; Minister of Executive and Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister responsible for Immigration; Minister responsible for Indigenous Affairs Bobby Anavilok (Kugluktuk) Janet Brewster (Iqaluit-Sinaa) Hon. Pamela Gross (Cambridge Bay) Deputy Premier; Minister of Culture and Heritage; Minister of Education; Minister of Languages; Minister responsible for Seniors George Hickes (Iqaluit-Tasiluk) Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committee of the Whole Hon.

David Joanasie (South Baffin) Government House Leader; Minister of Community and Government Services; Minister responsible for the Utility Rates Review Council Joelie Kaernerk (Amittuq) Mary Killiktee (Uqqummiut) Hon. Lorne Kusugak (Rankin Inlet South) Minister of Finance, Chair of the Financial Management Board; Minister responsible for the Nunavut Housing Corporation Adam Lightstone (Iqaluit-Manirajak) Hon.

John Main (Arviat North-Whale Cove) Minister of Health; Minister responsible for the Qulliq Energy Corporation; Minister responsible for Suicide Prevention Solomon Malliki (Aivilik) Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (Pangnirtung) Minister of Family Services; Minister responsible for Homelessness; Minister of Human Resources; Minister responsible for the Status of Women; Minister responsible for the Workers’ Safety and Compensation Commission Karen Nutarak (Tununiq) Hon.

Daniel Qavvik (Hudson Bay) Minister of Environment; Minister of Energy; Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic College Joanna Quassa (Aggu) Inagayuk Quqqiaq (Netsilik) Alexander Sammurtok (Rankin Inlet North- Chesterfield Inlet) Joe Savikataaq (Arviat South) Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Craig Simailak (Baker Lake)

Table of Contents Opening Prayer ...........................................................................................................................4343 Ministers’ Statements .................................................................................................................4343 Members’ Statements .................................................................................................................4347 Returns to Oral Questions ..........................................................................................................4351 Oral Questions ............................................................................................................................4353 Tabling of Documents ................................................................................................................4373 Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ......................................4374 Report of the Committee of the Whole ......................................................................................4430 Orders of the Day .......................................................................................................................4430

A. Daily References Wednesday, February 28, 2024 ..................................................................................................4343 B.

Ministers’ Statements 371 – 6(2): Pink Shirt Day and Bullying Prevention in Nunavut Schools (Gross) ....................4343 372 – 6(2): Training and Orientation of Municipal Council (Joanasie) .....................................4344 373 – 6(2): Child Abuse and Neglect Response Agreement (Nakashuk) ..................................4345 374 – 6(2): Kitikmeot Trade Show (Akeeagok, D) ....................................................................4345 375 – 6(2): South Baffin Island Caribou Abundance Survey (Qavvik) .....................................4346 376 – 6(2): Tobacco Reduction Month (Main) ..........................................................................4346 C.

Members’ Statements 498 – 6(2): Abuse by Teachers (Malliki) ...................................................................................4347 499 – 6(2): Recent Visit from Minister Qavvik to Baker Lake (Simailak) ................................4348 500 – 6(2): Teacher Behaviour (Sammurtok).............................................................................4348 501 – 6(2): Recent Developments in Pond Inlet (Nutarak) ........................................................4349 502 – 6(2): Stomach Flu Spreading in Kugluktuk (Anavilok) ...................................................4349 503 – 6(2): Ministerial Visit to Cambridge Bay (Gross) ............................................................4350 504 – 6(2): Suicide Prevention in Rankin Inlet (Kusugak) ........................................................4351 D.

Returns to Oral Questions Return to Oral Question 725 – 6(2): Vacant Positions in Petroleum Products Division (Joanasie) .............................................................................................................................................4351 Return to Oral Question 724 – 6(2): Petroleum Products Stabilization Fund (Joanasie) ...........4352

E.

Oral Questions 745 – 6(2): Review of Decentralization (Malliki) ......................................................................4353 746 – 6(2): Increase to Nunavut Household Allowance (Hickes) ..............................................4354 747 – 6(2): Out-of-Territory Remote Hiring Policy (Brewster) .................................................4355 748 – 6(2): After School Employment Program (Sammurtok) ..................................................4358 749 – 6(2): Coppermine River (Anavilok) .................................................................................4359 750 – 6(2): Birth Documents (Killiktee) ....................................................................................4361 751 – 6(2): Staffing at the Petroleum Products Division (Savikataaq) ......................................4363 752 – 6(2): Inclusive Supports for Schools (Nutarak) ................................................................4364 753 – 6(2): Kivalliq Intercommunity Road (Simailak) ..............................................................4366 754 – 6(2): Increase to Nunavut Household Allowance (Lightstone) ........................................4368 755 – 6(2): Accessing Income Assistance Benefits (Quqqiaq) ..................................................4370 756 – 6(2): Issues with Medical Travel (Kaernerk) ...................................................................4371 F.

Tabling of Documents 242 – 6(2): Minimum Wage Annual Report 2022 and 2023 (Akeeagok, D) .............................4373 243 – 6(2): 2019-2023 Nunavut-Western Canada Annual Report Amalgamated from April 1, 2019 to March 31, 2023 (Joanasie) ......................................................................................4373 244 – 6(2): Inuktut-speaking Teachers Receiving Bilingual Bonus in 2023 (Lightstone) .........4373 245 – 6(2): Correspondence from the Mayor of Taloyoak Inviting Minister of Health to Attend Council Meeting (Quqqiaq) .................................................................................................4374

G. Bills Bill 37 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2024-2025 – Health – Consideration in Committee ............................................................................................................................4375

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4343 Iqaluit, Nunavut Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Members Present: Hon. David Akeeagok, Hon. P.J. Akeeagok, Hon. Tony Akoak, Mr. Bobby Anavilok, Ms. Janet Brewster, Hon. Pamela Gross, Mr. George Hickes, Hon. David Joanasie, Mr. Joelie Kaernerk, Ms. Mary Killiktee, Hon. Lorne Kusugak, Mr. Adam Lightstone, Mr. Solomon Malliki, Hon. John Main, Hon. Margaret Nakashuk, Ms. Karen Nutarak, Hon. Daniel Qavvik, Ms. Joanna Quassa, Mr. Inagayuk Quqqiaq, Mr. Alexander Sammurtok, Mr. Joe Savikataaq, Mr.

Craig Simailak. >>House commenced at 10:00 Item 1: Opening Prayer Speaker (Hon. Tony Akoak) (interpretation): Good morning. Before we proceed, Mr. Malliki, can you say the opening prayer, please. >>Prayer Speaker: Ullaakkut, everyone. (interpretation) I say “good morning” to all Nunavummiut and the people of Gjoa Haven who are watching the proceedings and my family, whom I will be seeing very soon. I say “good morning” to all of you. (interpretation ends) Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Education, Ms. Gross.

Item 2: Ministers’ Statements Minister’s Statement 371 – 6(2): Pink Shirt Day and Bullying Prevention in Nunavut Schools (Gross) Hon. Pamela Gross: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I thank Members of this House for gathering earlier with Premier Akeeagok, where we proudly wore our bright pink shirts and pins to support Pink Shirt Day and its critical message. Today we are united as we stand up to bullying, promote compassion, and celebrate our diversity. We also join our communities, schools, and constituents in saying no to bullying and yes to healthy, inclusive communities. Mr.

Speaker, today schools across Nunavut are participating in Pink Shirt Day to show Inuuqatigiitsiarniq, respect and caring for each other, and to demonstrate that bullying should not be tolerated, not in school, at home, the office, online, and in our communities. Mr. Speaker, this year once again, my department distributed “Ajunngittugut! Pink Shirt Day: School Resource Guide” to assist schools in promoting positive environments. This guide provides numerous activities for schools to select from to guide them on this important day. Mr.

Speaker, the Department of Education continues our bullying prevention efforts. We have partnered with the Canadian Red Cross to provide students and staff with bullying prevention training programs and resources. We are also organizing and delivering this year’s annual Nipivut Youth Conference, which focuses on resiliency, healthy relationships, suicide prevention, positive coping skills/self- care, and self-advocacy. Mr. Speaker, my department is also developing the Makittatiarniq Bullying Prevention Handbook, which we aim to

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4344 implement during the 2024-25 school year. To our youth, if you or anyone you know is being bullied or struggling with mental health, please talk to a parent, teacher, or someone you trust to get in touch with the Nunavut Kamatsiaqtut Help Line or check out the GN website for a list of mental health resources and support services. I look forward to providing this House with updates on our activities as we continue to nurture and promote safe, caring and supportive school environments for all students and staff. Quana, Mr.

Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Minister’s Statement 372 – 6(2): Training and Orientation of Municipal Council (Joanasie) Hon. David Joanasie (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, members and Nunavummiut. I hope you enjoyed the unveiling of Team Nunavut’s uniform last night. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce that municipal elections were held in all Nunavut communities on October 23, 2023. Mayor and council elected will serve a four-year term.

Many mayors and councillors previously serving were re-elected and a good number were elected for their first time. To support Nunavut mayors and councillors, my department’s community development staff have been providing orientation and council training to the newly elected councils. Over the coming months, the team anticipates that training will be delivered to all Nunavut communities. Mr. Speaker, the training provided by my department aims to both support mayor and council and also to ensure they have the information and tools necessary to fulfill their role as an elected official.

Ensuring that mayor and council have a clear understanding of their role and the responsibilities of council while serving as an elected official and that they exercise good governance practices is a focal point of the training. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, topics covered during the training sessions include council roles and responsibilities, municipal finances, council procedures, conflict of Interest, community governance, policy management, and meetings of council. Finally, Mr.

Speaker, during the course of the municipal elected officials’ four- year term, the community development staff will continue to be readily available and committed to ongoing support, refresher orientation and training to Nunavut mayors and councillors. I want to recognize and thank each of you for stepping up to play a pivotal role in your community. Your leadership is of the utmost significance to the leaders of tomorrow and the residents you serve. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Sorry, colleagues. I’m just letting you know that we don’t have any

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4345 pages for now, so bear with us. Thank you. Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Family Services, Ms. Nakashuk. Minister’s Statement 373 – 6(2): Child Abuse and Neglect Response Agreement (Nakashuk) Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, my fellow MLAs and Nunavummiut. (interpretation ends) Mr.

Speaker, I am honoured to stand before you today to inform the House of the successful renewal of the Surusinut Ikajuqtigiit - Child Abuse and Neglect Response Agreement, which outlines our collective commitment to addressing and responding to child abuse across Nunavut. The agreement was finalized in 2021 by territorial partners, which include Family Services, Health, Education, Justice, Community and Government Services, RCMP, and the Arctic Child and Youth Foundation. In 2023 the partners reviewed and revised the agreement, reinforcing the shared commitment to support the safety and well-being of children.

The new agreement will continue to ensure efforts to protect children from abuse and neglect are integrated, effective, culturally competent, and sensitive to the needs of children. My department will lead the renewed implementation of this agreement to ensure it is operationalized efficiently and effectively. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Economic Development and Transportation, Mr. David Akeeagok. Minister’s Statement 374 – 6(2): Kitikmeot Trade Show (Akeeagok,

D) Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recently attended the Kitikmeot Trade Show with the Premier and couple of my colleagues. This year marked the 23rd anniversary of the annual affair. The theme was “Inspiring Opportunities” and it was a success. We had about 210 registered delegates and 52 exhibitors from across the territory and Canada. I am happy to announce that they raised more than $110,000 from the charity auction that will be going to the five food banks in the Kitikmeot. Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot Trade Show is important for economic development in the region.

It allows business owners, government officials, and community members to come together, learn about opportunities for economic growth, and showcase the strong entrepreneurial spirit found in the region. My department is proud to be a sponsor each year. This year I want to highlight the youth delegates that were invited to the event. The youth had the opportunity to learn from exhibitors and delegates. They got to meet dignitaries from Kitikmeot Inuit Association and the Government of Nunavut. They also did a presentation of what they have learned and hosted a question period.

It was great to see their involvement and the immense support

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4346 they received. Our youth are our future and I commend their courage. Mr. Speaker, my colleague that represents Cambridge Bay constituents sure kept us busy too in her fine community and met with the hamlet, elders, both schools, and apparently I have a twin brother, Mr. Bobby Greenly, President of the Kitikmeot Inuit Association, who we almost met with his board members. Quana, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Environment, Mr. Qavvik. Minister’s Statement 375 – 6(2): South Baffin Island Caribou Abundance Survey (Qavvik) Hon.

Daniel Qavvik: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, colleagues and to the people of Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide an update on a research program that our government is leading to monitor the recovery of Baffin Island caribou. An abundance survey of South Baffin Island is planned for March 2024, and we are planning similar surveys for North and Central Baffin in the coming years. This survey will collect information on the distribution of caribou across South Baffin Island and will lead to an updated abundance estimate for the South Baffin area.

This caribou herd experienced a decline in numbers and the population was estimated to be around 4,600 in 2014. In response to the decline, a total allowable harvest of 250 male-only tags was put in place in 2015. We have worked with our co-management partners to increase this harvest. For the 2023-24 harvest season, harvesters have been allowed to take up to 80 females from the total allowable harvest of 400. Both traditional knowledge and scientific reports show that caribou recovery can take decades, but the rate of recovery may be faster in some regions and slower in others.

At this time, based on the annual composition surveys and hunter observations, there are positive and encouraging signs of possible recovery in some South Baffin areas. These indicators show that the collective management actions we have taken to promote population recovery are working. A health monitoring program for Baffin caribou is in place and we rely on our harvesters to provide samples so we can investigate and document current caribou health and observe any changes over time.

I would like to acknowledge our hunters for their commitment in providing samples and sharing their experiences and knowledge with us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Ministers’ Statements. Hon. Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Minister’s Statement 376 – 6(2): Tobacco Reduction Month (Main) Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, my colleagues. Mr. Speaker, this past January, Tobacco Reduction Month, was a time to celebrate the path toward healthier

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4347 living. Health recently concluded a month-long series of quit tips on Facebook, which saw 1,660 Nunavummiut comment, share stories, like, or simply share a tip with their friends. Ma’na to everyone who interacted and joined us in taking steps towards a smoke-free lifestyle. Mr.

Speaker, Piliriqatigiinniq, the Inuit value of working together, is especially relevant to the challenge of quitting tobacco. (interpretation ends) Whether it’s partnering with a quit buddy, seeking nicotine replacement therapies from a health care provider, or getting support through phone calls, texts, or emails from the Nunavut Quit Line, it’s clear that Piliriqatigiinniq can lead to great things. Health’s Tobacco and Cannabis Program is building new resources and strategies to fight the significant health concerns around smoking and tobacco use.

Our team is now working on creating materials on vaping, which is a growing trend that affects Nunavummiut. This initiative aligns with the new Tobacco and Smoking Act aimed at reducing Nunavut’s high tobacco use rates and protecting the health of Nunavummiut. Through training, capacity building, and direct outreach, the Tobacco and Cannabis Program have provided health care providers, community health representatives, and the public with information on the health risks associated with tobacco, cannabis, and vaping.

Our NU Quits website and the Tobacco Has No Place Here Facebook page, ensure that evidence-based and Nunavut specific quit information is readily available. Counselling services are available toll-free at 1-866-368-7848 in all four official languages, providing support to those seeking to quit or reduce their smoking habits. Mr. Speaker, by reducing tobacco and vaping use, we not only tackle immediate health risks but also foster a healthier, smoke-free environment in Nunavut for future generations. (interpretation) Mr.

Speaker, whether it’s during the annual quit month or any month, I would like to remind Nunavummiut there are resources, staff members, therapies, and other supports to help them reach their personal healthy living goals and quit using tobacco. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member for Rankin Inlet North- Chesterfield Inlet…sorry. Member for Aivilik, Mr. Malliki. Item 3: Members’ Statements Member’s Statement 498 – 6(2): Abuse by Teachers (Malliki) Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Good morning, my fellow MLAs and my constituents. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I rise today to support my colleague from the Aggu constituency in her concerns over abuse by teachers towards students. Mr. Speaker, my colleague’s concern is not a one-off incident. I, too, have heard from parents and youth about the abusive behaviour of teachers. Not only that, Mr. Speaker, but when a member of the school staff tried to

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4348 intervene during an incident where a teacher was abusing a student, the intervener was punished and suspended. Mr. Speaker, I do understand that staff shortages and the need to fill teaching positions puts pressure on the Department of Education to hire teachers. However, it is very important that suitable people are employed to educate, instruct, and guide our children. If our children are to understand that abusive behaviour is unacceptable, then we need to show them, through swift and decisive action, that it will not be tolerated in our schools.

Abusive behaviour should not be tolerated, not from principals, not from teachers, not from staff, and not from students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Baker Lake, Mr. Simailak. Member’s Statement 499 – 6(2): Recent Visit from Minister Qavvik to Baker Lake (Simailak) Mr. Simailak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, my fellow MLAs and good day to the people of Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, I would like to extend my appreciation to the Minister of Environment, who is also the Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic College.

He was able to visit Baker Lake from February 5 to 7. We had invited him to visit our community of Baker Lake. During the minister’s visit, he went to the high school and we met with the students. We also met with the hunters and trappers organization and members of the municipal council. We also met with Ami Tootoo, who is the Manager of Peter’s Expediting Ltd. Lastly, with my parents, Jean and David Simailak, we went to have coffee and tea at their place. I’ll switch to English. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I believe this trip by the Minister responsible for Nunavut Arctic College was quite beneficial.

I believe he learned that a lot more could be done with the Baker Lake Community Learning Centre for Arctic College. He has seen that there is one room that has been sitting empty. It could be utilized for more college courses, specifically leaning towards servicing the mining sector. I very much look forward to welcoming him in Baker Lake once again, hopefully very soon; I believe it’s going to be very soon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Rankin Inlet North- Chesterfield Inlet, Mr. Sammurtok. Member’s Statement 500 – 6(2): Teacher Behaviour (Sammurtok) Mr.

Sammurtok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I rise today to join the member from Aggu in raising concerns about how teacher behaviour can impact our youth. Mr. Speaker, a constituent recently contacted me regarding the behaviour of a long-time teacher in their school. The student was very concerned at the

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4349 language used to describe residents of another community and the judgmental opinions that the teacher expressed about them. Abusive language about groups of people can be very harmful to our young, impressionable students. Mr. Speaker, another inappropriate behaviour shown by a teacher is their lack of respect or effort when it comes to the Inuit language, especially if they are teaching such courses as Aulajaaqtut. Teachers working in Nunavut should be culturally aware and respectful of the culture and language. Teacher behaviour has an impact on our youth.

Many young Inuit are struggling with their identity in our rapidly changing world. Respect for individuals, for communities, for culture and language should be demonstrated by our teachers at all times. Physical abuse, verbal abuse, and mental abuse has no place in our classrooms. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Tununiq, Ms. Nutarak. Member’s Statement 501 – 6(2): Recent Developments in Pond Inlet (Nutarak) Ms. Nutarak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the people of Pond Inlet and I rise with the children in the schools who will be wearing pink.

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to announce today that in my community, there are things developing very fast with the municipal council. They are working very hard and doing very good work. I would like to talk about what they have developed. They had opened a women’s shelter last year and a wellness centre which I found difficult to find the Inuktitut word for. This year at the end of March there will be a fitness centre opening and they will be working on the men’s homeless shelter. They have received funding geared towards the youth and they will be doing their work.

The councillors are busy working on and developing different programs in Pond Inlet. I’m very appreciative of that fact. Those programs that have been established in the community are very beneficial and I appreciate the work of the municipal councillors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Kugluktuk, Mr. Anavilok. Member’s Statement 502 – 6(2): Stomach Flu Spreading in Kugluktuk (Anavilok) Mr. Anavilok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” to my fellow MLAs and Nunavummiut. I wish to make this statement to the people of Kugluktuk.

People should be washing their hands frequently as the stomach flu is going around. I would like to ask the people to not visit quite so often to prevent the stomach flu from spreading. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Cambridge Bay, Ms. Gross.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4350 Member’s Statement 503 – 6(2): Ministerial Visit to Cambridge Bay (Gross) Hon. Pamela Gross: Quana, Mr. Speaker. Good day, Iqaluktuuttiarmiut and Nunavummiut. Two weeks ago, I was honoured and privileged to welcome our Premier, Minister Akeeagok, and Minister Joanasie to Cambridge Bay along with Government of Nunavut staff, where we had the opportunity to visit the community and see many different wonderful buildings and places filled with people. Mr.

Speaker, it was a joy to welcome both the Premier and ministers to our schools, the Kullik Ilihakvik and the high school, where we had the opportunity to see the students in action, visit their science classroom, which was a highlight watching them create a science project and interact as they were learning how to create these science projects, and we participated with them in the schools, in both the high school and elementary. We also had the opportunity to visit the elders at the Kitikmeot Heritage Society, where it was such a pleasure to see them in action and hear from the elders and the staff there.

We also went and met with the hamlet council. I thank the mayor, Wayne Gregory, and the councillors and everyone that was there for the dialogue that we had. I would also like to thank the Kitikmeot Inuit Association. A couple of the board members we got to meet and staff, as well as the Kitikmeot Corporation. Mr. Speaker, while we were there, we also went and visited our elders at the continuing care centre. I would like to thank all of the staff that work hard to ensure the well-being of the elders, who are well taken care of, and it was really nice to interact with those who are there. Mr.

Speaker, we also got to go and visit our public servants that are working in the offices in Cambridge Bay. We thank them very much for their hard work and dedication, not only to the work that they do but to our community and territory. Thank you all for hosting us and having us in your workspaces. I would also like to say a big special thank you to the organizers of the Kitikmeot Trade Show. Mr. Speaker, I ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Speaker: The member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are none. Please proceed, Ms. Gross. Hon.

Pamela Gross: Quana, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank the organizers of the Kitikmeot Trade Show, the Kitikmeot Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Talia Maksagak and the chief administrative officer with the hamlet, Jim MacEachern, and those that are on the steering committee for the Kitikmeot Trade Show for putting on a very wonderful event for the region.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4351 As Minister Akeeagok mentioned, there was over $110,000 raised from the silent auction for the five foodbanks in the region, which is a huge milestone for the trade show, as I believe it surpassed way over what they normally fundraise. I would like to thank everybody for attending, those who attended, all of the businesses and organizations that came to Cambridge Bay, as well as everyone who was there from the community for making such a memorable and great event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Members’ Statements. Member for Rankin Inlet South, Mr.

Kusugak. Member’s Statement 504 – 6(2): Suicide Prevention in Rankin Inlet (Kusugak) Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Good morning, Mr. Speaker and Nunavummiut. Mr. Speaker, I would like to extend my appreciation to the people of Rankin Inlet. When we talk about suicide prevention, there are many goals that we face. Mr. Speaker, our young people and elders make sure that there are recreational activities happening in our community. I want to thank the many volunteers who work in this area to help with recreational activities, such as soccer, baseball, and hockey.

There are many parents who volunteer for recreational activities and I thank them very much for working very hard. They meet in Rankin Inlet, they go sewing, and they work on traditional skins. There’s an entity being developed where men meet together instead of drinking. They work on making ulus and they’re all doing it on a voluntary basis, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday there was fundraising because there will be a big tournament in Alaska. There will be teams of young people from Rankin Inlet going there.

They don’t always have enough money, so they do a lot of fundraising so that they can send teams from Rankin Inlet to the big tournament. Thank you for all of the people that do that and all of the people who donate things and food to help the people of Rankin Inlet. They do it without any pay, they fundraise to benefit their community, and I give them a big thank you. I know that the people they help really appreciate them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause Speaker: Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. Hon. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie.

Item 4: Returns to Oral Questions Return to Oral Question 725 – 6(2): Vacant Positions in Petroleum Products Division (Joanasie) Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to supplement an answer I gave during question period on February 26, 2024, No. 725 – 6(2). The Member for Arviat requested information on the vacant management positions in the Petroleum Products Division. Mr. Speaker, there are a total of seven management positions within the

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4352 Petroleum Products Division. The positions are director, comptroller, manager of revenue operations, manager of finance, manager of field operations, manager of contract development, and manager of technical and environmental services. Mr. Speaker, as of February 26, 2024, three of the positions are filled with indeterminate staff, four are vacant. Of the four vacant positions, three are being filled with acting assignments. Mr.

Speaker, of the management positions, one of these positions, a new hire, is currently working outside of the community of Rankin Inlet, while the individual transitions into the community and their new position, which is scheduled to take place before this winter sitting adjourns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Return to Oral Question 724 – 6(2): Petroleum Products Stabilization Fund (Joanasie) Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you again, Mr. Speaker.

I have a return to oral question No. 724 – 6(2) asked by the Member for Iqaluit-Tasiluk on February 26, 2024 concerning the Petroleum Products Stabilization Fund. Mr. Speaker, this return is quite more detailed than my previous one, and I have filed it with the Clerk for transcribing into the Hansard for the public record and for distribution to all members. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to provide additional details in response to the enquiry posed by the Member for Iqaluit-Tasiluk on February 26, 2024 regarding the impact of accounts receivable on the Petroleum Products Stabilization Fund. Mr.

Speaker, my department is currently working to reduce the payments owed to the Petroleum Products Division and have made significant progress over the past few months. The Petroleum Products Division makes an annual allowance for doubtful accounts that is estimated based on the level of accounts receivable. The division is currently tracking accumulated doubtful accounts totalling approximately $20 million. I will continue to keep members informed of our progress in this area. Mr. Speaker, the stabilization fund is similar to that of a retained earnings account in a private sector company.

It serves as a mechanism for accumulating the profits and losses of the Petroleum Products Revolving Fund and it enables the fund to absorb nominal changes in fuel prices on global markets. Mr. Speaker, adjustments to stabilization and revolving fund limits are vital for responding to rising global oil prices, ensuring the Petroleum Product Division’s fuel procurement and price stabilization in a volatile market. With current fuel prices and existing costs, the Petroleum Products Division anticipates returning to a surplus position in 2024- 25. Mr.

Speaker, in 2022 unfavourable sourcing conditions during the post- COVID global economic recovery and the war in Ukraine contributed to going

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4353 below -$20 million by the end of the 2022-23 fiscal year. The Petroleum Products Division had accumulated losses of -$12.8 million, and the December 2022 price increase was insufficient to cover the spike in fuel landed costs. However, a late resupply that lasted until November 2022 meant the full cost picture was not entirely determined at the time of the decision, with a $31 million understatement in the cost of goods and sold estimates. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Item 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Item 6. Oral Questions.

Member for Aivilik, Mr. Malliki. Item 6: Oral Questions Question 745 – 6(2): Review of Decentralization (Malliki) Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my questions to the Premier of Nunavut in regard to the decentralized communities. Mr. Speaker, both communities that I represent have no jobs at all available locally other than the teachers and health centre staff. There are very few businesses in the communities I represent and there is a certain expectation of jobs coming from the Nunavut government.

My question to the Premier is: has there been a review of decentralized communities? Does the Premier have an update available now? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Premier of Nunavut, Mr. Pauloosie Akeeagok. Hon. P.J. Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank my colleague. Quite recently, we appointed an independent organization to review the jobs that have been transferred outside of the larger communities. I expect to receive that report in May. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Malliki. Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will be expecting that then. Can the Premier explain to us what sort of planning there is about the review or what the plans look like? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Premier of Nunavut, Mr. Pauloosie Akeeagok. Hon. P.J. Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for continually asking this very important question about jobs for Nunavummiut. The review will look at how decentralization has worked up until now, what has worked well and what has not worked well, and all of those will be reviewed. The review has started, but I can’t say exactly how it’s going.

I expect to have a proper conversation with the member after the report has been brought out and we can make certain considerations with the member afterwards. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Malliki. Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The smaller communities in Nunavut are skipped when jobs are distributed, but there are very able people in these communities. After the

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4354 Remote Work Policy had been enacted, is there an office that can try to look for Inuit who are able to work? There are ideas of producing jobs in the communities, but they don’t have any office space available. It would be good if even a few jobs could be distributed to the decentralized communities. That’s what I encourage the Premier to consider. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Premier of Nunavut, Mr. Pauloosie Akeeagok. Hon. P.J. Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you again. I completely agree with the member.

We’re not just waiting for the review of the report. What the member said is true. We’re not just sitting there. We’re always trying to brainstorm and think of how we can create jobs for all Nunavummiut. With the Nunavut-wide policy that the member referenced, Minister Nakashuk has been working hard on that file to date. We are always trying to see how and where we can create new jobs. We’re not just waiting around, but we are waiting for that report to see what has run well and what has not run well. We have to learn from what has been experienced. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you.

Before I go on to the next member, everyone wants to ask questions, so be mindful of your

preambles and get to the point. Member for Iqaluit-Tasiluk, Mr. Hickes. Question 746 – 6(2): Increase to Nunavut Household Allowance (Hickes) Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my questions to the Minister of Finance today. My “Curious George” factor got kicked in at quite a high velocity yesterday by the statement of the Minister of Finance concerning the increase to the Nunavut Household Allowance, which was a major announcement.

With a not insignificant impact on the government’s budget, I am fully in support of the increase, but I am curious as to why the minister did not mention it in this formal Budget Address. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation) The reason I did not mention the new housing allowance is because the funding for the program is in the new year and it has not been approved yet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My next question is: how was the amount of the increase determined? It’s a significant increase from $400 to a $1,000, which is a 150 percent increase. How was the increase determined, and how many current eligible employees receive the allowance? If the minister has an estimate on the increase on the government’s annual budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4355 Speaker: Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try to very quickly answer all three of the questions. Mr. Speaker, it has been a long time since the increase. I have been through three governments in this Assembly and every time it has been asked by the government’s members to increase that allowance. Taking a look at the cost of living increases over the years, we felt that a thousand dollars was a very good number to reach at and fair and something that this government could handle.

For that, as of 2023, the total amount of people receiving this was around 685 plus or minus, and the total amount of this cost is an increase of about $5.4 million overall, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that information, and I do realize I snuck in a few questions there, and I appreciate the minister accommodating me. Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Iqaluit- Sinaa reminded us the other day that two of the Government of Nunavut’s major collective agreements are expiring soon.

To what extent is the recent increase in the Nunavut Household Allowance expected to impact the Nunavut Northern Allowance rates that all employees, regardless of homeownership, are eligible to receive? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are still trying to figure out the final impact that it will have on that as we speak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit-Sinaa, Ms. Brewster. Question 747 – 6(2): Out-of-Territory Remote Hiring Policy (Brewster) Ms. Brewster: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister for Human Resources and they concern the Government of Nunavut’s new out-of- territory Remote Hiring Policy. As the minister will recall, this policy came into effect October 12, 2023, just over four months ago. Mr. Speaker, the policy provides that eligibility is limited to specialized hard- to-fill positions and cabinet approval is required to advertise positions as eligible for out-of-territory remote work.

This policy is an interim measure to address critical capacity challenges within the Government of Nunavut and out-of- territory remote work will only be approved for a set term. Mr. Speaker, can the minister confirm how many individuals have been hired to date under the provisions of this new policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minster of Human Resources, Ms. Nakasuk. Hon. Margaret Nakasuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for asking that question. (interpretation ends) That’s a

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4356 very good question. In the previous governments, we understand that there were some GN employees that worked remotely outside of the territory. The department has been trying to track the numbers because that was more of a departmental function. With the new remote work policy that we have in place, the Department of HR wants to have a better control of people working outside of the territory.

With the new policy, we have put in some strict operations in terms of ensuring that we have employees outside of the territory only for a short period of time and they have to be approved by deputy ministers. Also, we do have a committee in place of deputy ministers from different departments to review the applications. For the employees that are outside of the territory at this current time, we do have the numbers and we have put a deadline in terms of when their term would end, and that would be in the fall. For the new applications that we have seen, there are none that have been approved.

At this current time, we have five applicants that have been refused to work outside of the territory and none have been approved at this time. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Ms. Brewster. Ms. Brewster: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I admit that I’m a little bit confused by that response. We hear that there are a number of people who are currently hired out of territory. I wasn’t sure what that number was because I didn’t hear a number of people who are currently hired outside of territory. Mr.

Speaker, in an earlier line of questioning to the Minister of Finance, I noted that the government’s most recently published quarterly employment report indicates that close to 2,000 Government of Nunavut positions are vacant. I fully appreciate the urgency to explore all options to enhance our capacity in critical areas, and I also share concerns raised by a number of my colleagues regarding the extent to which human- focused positions in such fields as social work can be effectively performed by employees in Toronto, St. John’s, or Vancouver, as examples.

Can the minister clarify what criteria are used to determine whether or not a given position can and should be eligible for out-of-territory work? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minster of Human Resources, Ms. Nakasuk. Hon. Margaret Nakasuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for asking another question. (interpretation) When I had referred in terms of how many are outside of the territory that are working remotely, I’m referring to those that were approved prior to this government.

I don’t have the exact numbers of those, but like I had mentioned, since this new policy came out, we don’t have any approved remote workers at this time. We have received some applications, but none of them have been approved to date. When we’re talking about what positions we’re talking about, there’s quite a number on that list, but we also need to

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4357 ensure that those are hard-to-fill, highly specialized positions as well as professional positions, but we always try to ensure that those positions are not positions that could be filled within Nunavut in terms of more of what we can hire within the territory. A lot of the positions are more medical positions that I’m referring to, but I could certainly bring forward more numbers in terms of how many positions we’re talking about at a later date. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Ms. Brewster. Ms.

Brewster: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I admit that I am confused by the response from the minister. We just received a return to an oral question from the Minister of Community and Government Services today that states, “Mr. Speaker, of the management positions, one of these positions, a new hire, is currently working outside of the community of Rankin Inlet,” and the minister just stated that none had been approved recently. Mr.

Speaker, an emerging issue facing us is what I will refer to as the “Inuit diaspora.” The last time I looked at Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated’s list of eligible voters living outside of Nunavut, I took some time to consider the implications of so many of us living in major urban centres. If memory serves, there were approximately 600 Inuit living in Ottawa, approximately 300 Inuit living in Winnipeg, and over 150 Inuit living in Edmonton. Mr. Speaker, that’s over a thousand potential Inuit applicants who might be interested in remote work positions that benefit the Kitikmeot, Kivalliq and Qikiqtani regions.

Can the minister describe what actions her department is taking to ensure that Inuit-focused community organizations are publicizing opportunities under this new policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Human Resources, Ms. Nakashuk. Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I also thank you for that follow- up question. (interpretation ends) In terms of what we can do to hire Inuit outside of the territory, we have talked about that a number of times, but we also have to ensure that they fit into the position and also have the experience and education that we are trying to hire with the government. There are positions that we have that are outside of the territory, such as the client liaison officers that I always refer to, with the Department of Family Services that do site visits to our clients as well as other homes, but those are things that we are still talking about.

We still haven’t defined what jobs could fit in urban cities or outside of the territory, so those are things that we still have to talk about. We do want to hire a lot more Inuit definitely within the territory and outside of the territory, but we still haven’t gotten to that point yet. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Rankin Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet, Mr. Sammurtok.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4358 Question 748 – 6(2): After School Employment Program (Sammurtok) Mr. Sammurtok (interpretation): Good morning to the people of Chesterfield Inlet and Rankin Inlet. (interpretation ends) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are to the Minister of Community and Government Services. As the minister will recall, his department recently announced a new after-school employment program. The announcement indicated that the program is “aimed at supporting pre- employment goals for students.” Mr. Speaker, I strongly support programs such as this.

However, I am concerned that the program is currently only open to students living in Iqaluit. Can the minister provide a clear timeline for when the program will be expanded to regional centres such as Rankin Inlet and smaller communities such as Chesterfield Inlet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the member for the question. I believe that there is a lot of interest in this pilot project.

As a pilot, we’re just testing it out to see what level of interest there is and how it could employ our youth and getting them prepared for the professions in our department and getting their foot in the door, so to speak. Mr. Speaker, in terms of what the next steps will be and timelines on how we will be evaluating this, we’re still rolling this out and again, I think there’s a high level of interest in it. I look forward to reporting to the House on how effective and useful it has been at the tail end. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Sammurtok. Mr.

Sammurtok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I believe that there will be a lot of interest in Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, as the minister is aware, his department’s Real Property Division has recently been issuing announcements concerning the closure of the Chesterfield Inlet hamlet office building due to a frozen water line. This facility hosts a number of government offices in the community. Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Uqqummiut spoke recently about the importance of training more Inuit plumbers, more Inuit electricians, and more Inuit carpenters. I completely agree with her.

Can the minister describe how his department’s after-school employment program will support young people entering a career in the skilled trades? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I again thank the member. Mr. Speaker, in my department, we do have scholarship opportunities and there’s

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4359 another avenue where we try to encourage young people to pursue professional studies in technical fields, whether they want to become an engineer or that type. These positions are spread across the territory, and again, we’re doing outreaches to schools. We want to have access to career fairs to try to promote this program and get more students involved, and we hope to see good progress on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Sammurtok. Mr. Sammurtok: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister’s announcement indicated that “successful applicants will be hired on a part-time basis.” Can the minister confirm if the rate of pay for participants in the program will be the same as the government’s Summer Student Employment Equity Program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In short, the students that are taking

part in this project would be paid relative to the studies that they’re in, just as though they’re in that work or in that field. Mr. Speaker, the way it’s set up too around… . The students, of course, are in schools for most of the day, but if they can, we try to arrange flexible hours, whether it’s in the evenings or on weekends, if that’s permissible. Mr. Speaker, we try to be flexible around hours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Kugluktuk, Mr. Anavilok. Question 749 – 6(2): Coppermine River (Anavilok) Mr. Anavilok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions today are for the Minister of Environment and they concern the issue of the health of the Coppermine River. As the minster is aware, the Coppermine River is extremely important to my constituents in Kugluktuk. The river has always been a source of drinking water and food for Inuit, and it is essential that the river be clean, healthy, and free from pollution and contaminants. In 2002 the Coppermine River was nominated to the Canadian Heritage Rivers System.

Can the minister describe how his department works with the hunters and trappers organization and federal partners to monitor the health of the Coppermine River? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Environment, Mr. Qavvik. Hon. Daniel Qavvik: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the member for raising the issue. Mr. Speaker, the Kugluktuk Coppermine River is adjacent to Kugluk Park, but the river is not part of the park. We have no control or information on what is happening upriver from the park. Mr.

Speaker, in regard to how we work with the federal government in terms of water testing and water quality, it is the responsibility of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4360 The drinking water quality falls under the Department of Health. Water testing from time to time can be challenging to reach the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Anavilok. Mr. Anavilok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you for your response. (interpretation ends) As the minister will be aware, the federal government made a decision in the year 2015 to reject a request by the Kitikmeot Inuit Association for the Nunavut Impact Review Board to conduct a review of a project related to diamond mining in the Northwest Territories. Concerns have been raised with me that the mining activity in the region is adversely impacting the health of the Coppermine River. For example, the number of char that are being harvested appears to have declined.

From my experience before the mine started more than 20 years ago, we used to be able to catch 20 to 40 char; last year I was lucky to get three. Can the minister describe how his department works with the Government of the Northwest Territories and the relevant environmental monitoring and regulatory agencies to address transboundary impacts of mining in the Kitikmeot? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Environment, Mr. Qavvik. Hon. Daniel Qavvik: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the question. Mr.

Speaker, the responsible party for fish and fish research in the river that comes to Kugluktuk from Lac de Gras is the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada. In terms of how we work with our neighbouring jurisdictions of the Northwest Territories, the mining and the dumping of tails into tail pits, the Government of the Northwest Territories is responsible for environmental assessments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Anavilok. Mr. Anavilok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. (interpretation ends) I am concerned that hunters who rely on the Coppermine River for their harvesting activities are suffering losses through no fault of their own. I will be inviting the Minister of Environment to come to Kugluktuk sometime in June to speak with the community as they fish on different parts of all of the river, and possibly Fisheries and Oceans. Can the minister clarify who is responsible for compensating harvesters who have suffered losses as a result of environmental damage? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Environment, Mr. Qavvik. Hon.

Daniel Qavvik: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the member for inviting me to his beautiful community of Kugluktuk. I can work with the member to identify the possibility of visiting Kugluktuk.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4361 In terms of the compensation of the loss from harvesting, I do not have that level of detail with me. I can get back to the member in writing with more details to provide to the member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Uqqummiut, Ms. Killiktee. Question 750 – 6(2): Birth Documents (Killiktee) Ms. Killiktee (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Health. Mr. Speaker, as you know, there are no birthing services in the smaller communities.

Mothers have to travel out of their community and sometimes they have to travel to the south for the birth of their child to places like Winnipeg, Ottawa, and Yellowknife. (interpretation ends) When this happens, mothers don’t always get the ‘registration of birth’ documents from the jurisdiction where they gave birth. By saying that, later on, it becomes a big problem as they pay fee after fee trying to get the appropriate documents, often without success. Mr.

Speaker, can the minister explain what agreements are in place with other jurisdictions to provide support to Nunavummiut who are born outside of the territory to receive their birth registration and birth certificate documents? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the member for asking that question.

If there are any agreements between our government and other jurisdictions in regard to that, I can’t tell you if there are any agreements, but we do have our registration office in Rankin Inlet for those who are born in Nunavut. If they’re born outside of Nunavut, for example, before Nunavut was created on April 1, 1999, and if they were born in the Northwest Territories, they have to request that information from the Government of the Northwest Territories. That’s how it is currently set up. Mr.

Speaker, I have experienced this personally, as one of our sons was born in Alberta and he’s registered under that jurisdiction. My wife and I approached the Alberta government and they sent us the documentation. There are means of getting the documentation. It depends on where the child is born. They do have offices in other jurisdictions and there’s information available on the Internet, including registration forms. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Ms. Killiktee. Ms. Killiktee (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for your response.

For those Nunavummiut who were born before 1999 in the area that is now Nunavut, their birth certificates were (interpretation ends) issued by the vital statistics department of the Northwest Territories. I was recently informed that the old birth certificates are no longer valid and people are being told that they have to renew their birth certificates. From learning that, can the minister confirm whether Nunavummiut born in

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4362 1999 are now being required to renew their birth certificates and whether his department will provide assistance to Nunavummiut in accessing replacement birth certificates from the Northwest Territories? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is the first time that I hear about this and I thank the member for that. It’s concerning to hear that the old birth certificates may no longer be valid.

We do know that when we request for replacement or new birth certificates from the Government of the Northwest Territories, the fees are higher than they are in Nunavut. The fee is $10 here in Nunavut and I think it is $25 or $22 in the Northwest Territories. I’ll look into this further and I will have dialogue with my staff and see exactly what is happening. If our assistance is required, we will be available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Ms. Killiktee. Ms. Killiktee (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad to hear that. It’s something that’s very important.

For those of us who were born many years before 1999, we are applying to renew our birth certificates. We heard about people experiencing problems with the application process in the news. Our Member of Parliament also assisted people applying for Canadian passports. Passport applications were being returned, which could be due to the old birth certificates no longer being recognized. The service provided by the vital statistics office in the Northwest Territories is very slow and their system seems very outdated. This is concerning and it needs to be improved. I urge you to put more focus on this.

Furthermore, I would like to get clarification from the minister. He said that this is the first time he has heard of this change. I think I heard that there is a registration office in Rankin Inlet that has been issuing birth certificates for people born on or after April 1, 1999. I would like confirmation on whether or not that is the case. If that is not the case, a new vital statistics office should be opened in Nunavut so that Nunavummiut can get the services they are entitled to and access their birth certificates in a more efficient way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon.

John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the member for asking those questions for the benefit of the listening public. For people who were born on or after April 1, 1999 in Nunavut, they are able to access their birth certificates from the registration office in Rankin Inlet and their toll-free number is 1-800-661-0833 or they can visit the website where there are application forms available. There are government liaison officers in all communities and they can provide assistance in getting birth certificates. They are available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions.

Member for Arviat South, Mr. Savikataaq.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4363 Question 751 – 6(2): Staffing at the Petroleum Products Division (Savikataaq) Mr. Savikataaq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” to the people of Arviat on this chilly day. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my questions to the Minister of Community and Government Services regarding the return to oral and the seven-manager positions, which seems awful high, so a quarter of the positions are management positions, 7 out of 35, which seems high to me, but that’s not my question.

My first question is: in the return to oral, it says that “a new hire, is currently working outside of the community of Rankin Inlet, while the individual transitions into the community and their new position…” How is this possible when the Minister of Human Resources said that no new out-of-territory hires were approved? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Regarding the return to oral, I do believe that the Petroleum Products Division and the management, we are trying to fill those positions and it did go through the competitive process in that the vacancy was filled and is now transitioning to the position. It’s going through that process, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Savikataaq. Mr. Savikataaq: Mr. Speaker, I didn’t ask how the person was hired. I didn’t ask if it went through the competition process. I didn’t ask that question, so I’m not sure why the minister replied to that.

My question to the minister was, in his return to oral, “Mr. Speaker, of the management positions, one of these positions, a new hire, is currently working outside of the community of Rankin Inlet, while the individual transitions into the community and their new position…” Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Human Resources just stated this morning in this House that no positions have been approved to work out of territory. If there are no positions approved to work out of territory, how was this happening?

How can the Petroleum Products Division hire someone that’s not in Rankin Inlet when no positions have been approved to work out of the territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The position is based in Rankin Inlet and the position is filled and the person filling the position is transitioning into the… . I don’t know where they are hired from, to be honest, but based on the level of detail that my colleague asked for, I presented the facts.

We continue to fill these positions, again, through the competitive or otherwise and when a hire does go through, there are transition stages that an employee goes through. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Savikataaq.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4364 Mr. Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process seems to be circumventing the system. The Minister of Human Resources clearly stated that no positions have been approved to work outside of the territory. Now, I’m not sure if this new hire is working outside of the territory, but this new position is definitely not working in Rankin Inlet. In the normal competitive process, when a person is hired for a job and they accept that position, there is a start date and normally that start date is, they start in that community.

That’s the normal process, but it seems like it is very improper. This new hire that’s working outside of the community, is the new hire not a resident of Rankin Inlet? Is this new hire from the south? I’m not sure if the minister would have that detail, but I would like that detail before the end of this sitting whether this new hire was hired from out of the territory or within the territory or Rankin Inlet specifically. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Hon. David Joanasie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In my department, we are continuing to and committed to working with Human Resources on their policies. Again, I think the Remote Work Policy is something that can be a good tool for our government to make sure that there is work getting done, whether or not they are in the communities. Mr. Speaker, to the question, again as I said, I didn’t know where they were coming from, so I’ll have to get back to the member on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Tununiq, Ms. Nutarak. Question 752 – 6(2): Inclusive Supports for Schools (Nutarak) Ms. Nutarak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. (interpretation ends) I would like to direct my questions to the Minister of Education. Mr. Speaker,

Part 6 of Nunavut’s Education Act provides for inclusive education for students across the territory. The department’s most recent annual report lists a number of student services that may be provided in schools, including speech language therapy, occupational therapy, deaf and hard-of- hearing education, and school-based mental health. Can the minister provide an overview of how her department’s education and student support services program determines what specific inclusive supports they will provide in specific schools or communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Education, Ms. Gross.

Hon. Pamela Gross: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the member for the question. Our schools are very well equipped with resources for our students to access. We work with our schools to also work with new incoming students if they are entering into kindergarten within a few years and they have challenges that they need support with. If we have students that are either deaf or hard of hearing or low visibility or any type of support that is needed for an

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4365 extra support to come in and work with the students, we can assist that process, whether they are coming into the school or they are already in the school. We can task the school principal to work directly with the family to get that person, the child or the student, the support that they do need. We also have supports for things such as emotional and mental health support and various other supports that our Student Services Division works very closely with our school leaders to work on to support the students’ needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Your first supplementary, Ms. Nutarak. Ms. Nutarak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, minister, for your reply. Mr. Speaker, one type of support service that is not mentioned in the Department of Education’s annual report is supports for students with low vision or those who are blind. One of my constituents has recently proposed a training program to provide low vision education for students in our schools. Can the minister confirm that she has received this proposal from my constituent and can she describe what steps are being considered to provide low vision education training to Nunavut educators?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Education, Ms. Gross. Hon. Pamela Gross: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the member for the question and working with your constituents to support the students that will need assistance. Mr. Speaker, we are working with Mittimatalik to ensure that there are training workshops to help address the needs of students with low vision in the constituency.

The staff of the Department of Education is also aware of children that might need additional supports and needs for either attending school or entering school soon and will work with the families and the staff to provide the services that they will need. We also have a long-standing memorandum of understanding with the Government of Manitoba where we have the services of a coordinator for their blind and visually impaired unit.

We currently have students who are blind and are low vision receiving support from a coordinator who visits our communities and will ensure that we do that work and work directly with Mittimatalik, and that goes to any other community as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Ms. Nutarak. Ms. Nutarak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, minister. Mr. Speaker, the schools in my constituency have indicated that they want more specialist visits to provide support in such areas as speech therapy, physiotherapy, and audiology and optometry services.

Section 47 of the Education Act provides that if a school team decides that specialist services or supports are required, the minister shall ensure they are provided. While I recognize and appreciate that almost 350 students received individualized support services in 2021-

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4366 22, there are still needs for inclusive education support services which are not being met. Will the minister commit to looking into the need for additional specialist services and assessments in Pond Inlet’s schools and ensure that they are provided? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Education, Ms. Gross. Hon. Pamela Gross: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the member for the question. Yes, I can commit that we have worked with the community and when we do have instances that come up, we work to ensure that the needs of the students are being met.

We have increased our support with the core funding that we now have for the Department of Education to enhance this part of our division and we will work to increase other supports if they are needed. If they do come through the channels through the school leaders or the district education authorities or our colleagues, if they have community members bringing those concerns forward, we do work to ensure that those needs are being addressed. I thank anyone in this House or others who do bring those issues forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Baker Lake, Mr. Simailak.

Question 753 – 6(2): Kivalliq Intercommunity Road (Simailak) Mr. Simailak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this morning are for the Minister of Economic Development and Transportation. I want to follow up today on the subject of the Kivalliq Intercommunity Road. I was very honoured to have had the opportunity to attend the community consultation meeting that was held in Baker Lake a few weeks ago. Dozens of my constituents took the time to attend and share their views on this important project.

It’s so important to members of my community that some of them even left the hockey game in the rink next door to go listen and take

part in the community consultation. When the minister updated the House on this project last week, he indicated that the report from his department’s current study “should be available later in the year.” Hopefully it’s not too much later in the year but sooner. Mr. Speaker, as the minister is aware, Members of the Legislative Assembly have expressed frustration at the long delays in tabling his department’s updated Nunavut Airports Capital Needs Assessment and the marine scoping study.

Will the minister assure the House today that copies of his department’s Kivalliq Intercommunity Road study will be provided directly to the region’s Members of the Legislative Assembly and the Kivalliq Inuit Association immediately following its completion? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Economic Development and Transportation, Mr. David Akeeagok. Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased that the community is enquiring

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4367 about that and that they want to work with us, even leaving the hockey game and going to the consultation meeting, and I thank them for that. Once the information has been gathered from the community consultation, I’m already planning to give the report to my colleague and I will urge my staff to complete it as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Simailak Mr. Simailak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, minister, for that. I’m sure we will be very anxious to see that.

The minister had indicated that his department’s consultations have identified caribou migration as one of the impacts that will need to be mitigated. Can the minister describe how he is working with the Department of Environment, along with the Beverly and Qamanirjuaq Caribou Management Board, to begin the process of developing mitigation plans in this area? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Economic Development and Transportation, Mr. David Akeeagok. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This is the reason why we’re doing a study is so that all stakeholders can gather the information and, if there are concerns like caribou migration, we need to figure out how we will be mitigating that. The very stakeholders that my colleague just mentioned are the key stakeholders that we will be in discussions with as we do the study. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Simailak. Mr. Simailak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As the Minister of Economic Development and Transportation is aware, the federal Minister of Environment recently stated that the Government of Canada will no longer fund road projects in the country. Mr. Speaker, as the House is aware, nation-building projects such as the Kivalliq Intercommunity Road and the Kivalliq Hydro-Fibre Link will likely need significant federal investments to succeed.

Will the Minister of Economic Development and Transportation here join me in condemning the federal Minister of Environment’s comments and can he assure this House that he is making every effort to ensure that the Government of Canada does not back away from supporting the Kivalliq Intercommunity Road project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Economic Development and Transportation, Mr. David Akeeagok. Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday I was fortunate to participate on the federal-provincial- territorial meetings of transportation minsters.

As I was not able to be there in person, I was able to meet virtually. I want to assure my colleagues that all of the transportation ministers from the provincial-territorial ministers were calling on the federal government to enhance and restart the National Trade Corridors Fund, the Oceans Protection Plan, the two major programs that help

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4368 build roads and ports and that we will continue to advocate for. Whether another federal minister says otherwise, I’m targeting the folks, the ones that work in building infrastructure for this fine county, and I will continue to be a very strong advocate to making sure that these federal programs benefit our territory and we need them. I can’t stress more than that, so I want to thank my colleague for raising this with me and I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit-Manirajak, Mr. Lightstone.

Question 754 – 6(2): Increase to Nunavut Household Allowance (Lightstone) Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are also for the Minister of Finance in relation to his minister’s statement that was provided to the House yesterday regarding the increase to the Nunavut Household Allowance. Mr. Speaker, the announcement that was provided by the minister yesterday came with much applause in this Chamber and most likely in Government of Nunavut offices across the territory, and for that, I would like to thank you. Mr.

Speaker, I have identified the inequity between staff housing and this homeowner allowance since my initial campaign platform in 2017 and in fact, this was the very first issue that I raised in this House at the beginning of the Fifth Assembly. Mr. Speaker, for my first question, I would like to ask the minister to provide some information about the tax implications. It’s great that the household allowance will be increased from $400 a month to $1,000, but a significant portion is currently withheld due to income tax deductions.

For my first question, I would like to ask the minister how much of that $1,000 on average can Government of Nunavut employees expect to receive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate my colleague for having raised this issue with me and I’m glad that this House supports Nunavummiut who own their own homes and rent from the private market. I, too, believe that this is going to go a long way. Mr. Speaker, in short, this allowance will be given out on the first two paycheques of each month.

That will have a big impact on your taxes because I believe that the tax implications are based on your first paycheque of each month. Instead of giving $1,000 on that month, the tax deductible will be less if we put $500 in the first pay period and then in the second pay period, you will get the second one. It will be on the first two pay periods of each month. In some months a couple of times a year, I believe we get three paycheques and in the same month; you wouldn’t get it in the third one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to thank the

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4369 minister for that response. I’m grateful that tax implications were considered in the planning and development of this new updated policy. Mr. Speaker, the previous Nunavut Household Allowance Policy did have a sunset clause set for April 1, 2024. I would like to ask if the new policy will also have a sunset clause or review period built into it so that government employees will not have to wait another 16 years to see an increase. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I spoke yesterday and today and again, I say that we have increased the household allowance. We were able to do that by changing the line item in terms of a monthly housing allowance. It did not require changing the policy as such and right now, we are working on taking a look at the policy and where we could make improvements on it and I hope that we can come up with that soon. We are looking at the policy, where we could make changes and how we could make improvements, but this does not affect the policy directly.

As we work towards that, in the very near future, in the next few weeks, I’m sure we will consider those comments by my colleague. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the minister’s response and taking my comments into consideration. Mr. Speaker, one of the recommendations that I made in this House in the past was tying this housing allowance to CPI or indexing the amount so that it does receive regular adjustments as the cost of living increases. Mr.

Speaker, the $1,000 a month household allowance is quite generous compared to the previous amount of $400 a month, but it still does not quite equate to the subsidy provided to employees in staff housing or public housing or the housing allowance that is provided to employees of other organizations across the territory. The next question I would like to ask is: does the government have further plans in place to have longer term adjustments to see more equity provided into this household allowance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Finance, Mr. Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you again, Mr. Speaker.

I thank my colleague for the questions. Mr. Speaker, it was important for this government to put out definitely an increase and I believe a very significant 150 percent increase on the current allowance. Mr. Speaker, this will give us some time to take a look to see if this is in fact adequate and, if not, how much more do we need and what kinds of timetables should be in there to ensure that this amount does increase in the future on a timely basis and not based on other things than that. Give us a chance to work through that and we will come up with some figures and work on where we go from there, Mr. Speaker.

I’m sure

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4370 we will find something that is supportive of all, but I do believe that this is a significant step in that direction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Netsilik, Mr. Quqqiaq. Question 755 – 6(2): Accessing Income Assistance Benefits (Quqqiaq) Mr. Quqqiaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my questions to the Minister of Family Services. Mr. Speaker, I wrote to the minister on this issue some time ago, but as I have not received a response, I hope she will be able to provide some answers today. Mr.

Speaker, one of my constituents was an income assistance client for some time, but for about five months, was denied income assistance. Mr. Speaker, even though his documents were all on his file, the new income assistance worker insisted that he provide identification which he did not have. Mr. Speaker, he needed $35 to get the new identification. With no income, he could not afford identification. With no identification, he could not access any income. Mr. Speaker, can the minister clearly explain what kind of supports should be provided to individuals to assist them in applying for income assistance?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Family Services, Ms. Nakashuk. Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank the member. I apologize if I didn’t respond to your letter. I try to respond right away to any correspondence that I receive. The income support worker is supposed to be able to help update the client’s identification if they didn’t have that or their birth certificate. The government liaison officers are also available to help get identification or birth certificates if they haven’t filled out an application.

Income support workers don’t make people wait five months for income support assistance. The people who are trying to get income support are supposed to update their identification and birth certificates before they go to income support. Although income support workers can help their clients on how to do that, it’s unfortunate that someone had to wait that long. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Quqqiaq. Mr. Quqqiaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very glad that there are kind people in the community who help one another. Mr.

Speaker, another individual paid the $35 for my constituent to get a new piece of identification, but when he returned to the income assistance office, the new worker told him that he also needed a birth certificate and his application was denied once again. Mr. Speaker, can the minister clarify how many pieces of identification are required to apply for income assistance and clearly explain why someone who has already been a client for some time needs to go through the identification process again and again? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4371 Speaker: Minister of Family Services, Ms. Nakashuk. Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for that supplementary question. As to how many pieces of identification are required, as I said, they need to bring in a birth certificate and/or health care card and other identification for people in the household. They need the children’s birth certificates as well. However, if the person is living alone, I may be wrong, but they need to give two or three pieces of identification to get income support.

Workers have told me that we sent a response to you on December 15. That person was assisted by staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Quqqiaq. Mr. Quqqiaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that income assistance workers have to follow a process to ensure that people are not taking advantage of the system. However, it seems that my constituent is being repeatedly denied and is not offered any support to help him progress with his application. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding when the person is denied income assistance, they can appeal the decision. Mr.

Speaker, the income assistance worker is supposed to help clients fill out and submit the appeal. This does not seem to be happening. Mr. Speaker, will the minister commit to reviewing the process being followed by income assistance workers in the Netsilik constituency and make sure that the current processes are being followed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Family Services, Ms. Nakashuk. Hon. Margaret Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for that follow- up question.

It’s regretful that the person had to wait that long, but there has to be proper documentation and sometimes that causes problems. It’s really unfortunate that the person was not accommodated and not welcomed. For people who are denied, there is an appeal board for income support. I’m sure that case has been reviewed and that person who requested or who appealed has been responded to by letter. It’s unfortunate that you were not aware of it and the forms that are available in our offices, but a response was provided. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Oral Questions. Member for Amittuq, Mr. Kaernerk.

Question 756 – 6(2): Issues with Medical Travel (Kaernerk) Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good day, people of Amittuq and Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health regarding medical patients who are sent to Iqaluit, Ottawa, Edmonton, and Winnipeg. I would like to know how the health department has made corrections or rectified issues for services that are provided. When elders and disabled

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4372 people are informed at the last minute that they have to leave for their appointment, they might say, “I can’t leave at the moment because I wasn’t given enough notice, so I’ll decline the travel for now.” A lot of money is probably being used to make adjustments to medical travel. I would first like to know what actions have been taken by the health department to rectify issues with medical travel. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Hon. Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I also thank my colleague for that question. We’re constantly seeking solutions to problems with medical travel, especially for patients requiring medical attention. The Medical Travel Policy is still being reviewed. We have informed Nunavut Tunngavik that in accordance with the partnership policy and

Article 32 of the Nunavut Agreement, we are constantly looking for solutions to problems with the operation of medical travel, but we know that the policies that are in place also need to be adjusted and updated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your first supplementary, Mr. Kaernerk. Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do realize that the medical travel personnel do their due diligence to have patients see their appointments.

Article 32 of the Nunavut Agreement has a heavy influence on policy development, which includes the Department of Health and Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, for the benefit of Nunavummiut. How have you reviewed this? Are you looking to increase employment so that patients are informed weeks in advance of their appointments? I would like you to inform Nunavummiut of what aspects of the policy have been reviewed. Are we going to see positions being created in Nunavut’s 25 communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I can’t say at this time whether or not more jobs would be created in accordance with the policy. However, I can say that when we have requested more positions, it has been supported by this House for a number of years. The medical travel clerks increased in numbers in order to better serve Nunavummiut. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, areas of focus during this Medical Travel Policy review include enhanced communications tools, examining the structure of the medical travel program, as well as clarifying escort entitlements, eligibility and responsibilities.

That’s a few of the areas of focus. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Your second and final supplementary, Mr. Kaernerk. Mr. Kaernerk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to see a position that works solely on this. Do you have a scheduled date as to when the review report will be tabled here in

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4373 the House in view of the Nunavut patients who travel? Is there a set date for the tabling of the report? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Minister of Health, Mr. Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We don’t have a set date for the new policy to be tabled here in the House. There was a delay in some of the areas which is unfortunate. Mr. Speaker, although we support and work hard towards this, for the 2024-25 fiscal year, we will continue on this work. We will have to find solutions to issues with medical travel.

There are some instances where Nunavummiut who have been issued tickets do not show up to travel on scheduled departure dates. We have to figure out what is causing “no- shows” because that is one obstacle that we will need to consider and find a solution to, as this is a problem for many people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Members, be aware that the time allotted for question period is now over. Mr. Malliki. Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to extend question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: The member is seeking unanimous consent to extend question period. Are there any nays? There is a nay. Item 7. Written Questions. Item 8. Returns to Written Questions. Item 9. Replies to Opening Address. Item 10. Replies to Budget Address. Item 11. Petitions. Item 12. Responses to Petitions. Item 13. Reports of Standing and Special Committees on Bills and Other Matters. Item 14. Tabling of Documents. Hon. Minister of Justice, Mr. David Akeeagok. Item 14: Tabling of Documents Tabled Document 242 – 6(2): Minimum Wage Annual Report 2022 and 2023 (Akeeagok,

D) Hon. David Akeeagok: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to table the Minimum Wage Rate 2022 and 2023 Annual Report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Item 14. Tabling of Documents. Hon. Minister of Community and Government Services, Mr. Joanasie. Tabled Document 243 – 6(2): 2019- 2023 Nunavut-Western Canada Annual Report Amalgamated from April 1, 2019 to March 31, 2023 (Joanasie) Hon. David Joanasie (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am pleased to table in the House the Nunavut-Western Canada Annual Report Amalgamated from April 1, 2019 to March 31, 2023. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Item 14. Tabling of Documents. Member for Iqaluit- Manirajak, Mr. Lightstone. Tabled Document 244 – 6(2): Inuktut- speaking Teachers Receiving Bilingual Bonus in 2023 (Lightstone) Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to table the current number of bilingual Inuktut- speaking teachers in our education

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4374 system which are receiving a bilingual bonus, broken down by community and school. I encourage all members to review this item with care and I will be asking questions about this in the near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Tabling of Documents. Member for Netsilik, Mr. Quqqiaq. Tabled Document 245 – 6(2): Correspondence from the Mayor of Taloyoak Inviting Minister of Health to Attend Council Meeting (Quqqiaq) Mr. Quqqiaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Today I wish to table correspondence from the Mayor of Taloyoak inviting myself and the Minister of Health to attend a council meeting in the community. As noted in the letter, the Taloyoak Hamlet Council and the community as a whole has a great interest in health care delivery in the community and would like to share their knowledge and experience with us. I sincerely hope that the minister will be agreeable to visiting the community of Taloyoak with me and to meeting with the mayor and council. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Item 15. Notices of Motions. Item 16. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills.

Item 17. Motions. Item 18. First Reading of Bills. Item 19. Second Reading of Bills. Item 20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters. Bills 37, 38, 39, and 40 with Mr. Savikataaq in the Chair. Before we proceed with the Committee of the Whole, we will break for lunch and come back at 1:30 p.m. Sergeant-at-Arms. >>House recessed at 11:59 and Committee resumed at 13:31 Item 20: Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters Chairman (Mr. Savikataaq): Good afternoon. I would like to call the committee meeting to order.

Just before we proceed, I would like to make our special guests welcome for today. These are the first-year students from the Arctic College

interpretation and translator course. I’ll be sorry if I don’t pronounce your last name right: • Tommy Kakka • Lindsay Hainnu • Amanda Ningeochiak • Corrine Tugak • Margaret Nowdlak • Jade Paneak Welcome to our Assembly and have a good… >>Applause …and put the headsets on and take a few notes from the professional interpreters that we have here. >>Applause In Committee of the Whole, we have the following items to deal with: Bills 37, 38, 39, and 40. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Malliki.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4375 Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We wish to continue with the review of the 2024-25 operations and maintenance main estimates of the Department of Health, followed by the Department of Community and Government Services. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) Are we in agreement first to deal with Bill 37? Some Members: Agreed. Bill 37 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2024-2025 – Health – Consideration in Committee Chairman: Thank you.

I would like to ask Minister Main: do you have officials that you would like to appear before the committee? Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I do. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) Does the committee agree to let the minister’s officials appear before you? Some Members: Agreed. Chairman: Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort them in. Minister Main, for the record, can you please reintroduce your officials and then we will continue from where we left off yesterday. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Joining me here to my right is Deputy Minister Megan Hunt and to my left is Greg Babstock, Executive Director of Corporate Services. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. We will continue with my list of names from yesterday. Up next is Ms. Nutarak. Ms. Nutarak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yesterday when I was asking questions, I forgot to mention something. My constituents in Pond Inlet and the hamlet council have spoken about a pilot project when the population was smaller where we had a doctor based in Pond Inlet.

Since we have a growing population, I think it’s the right time to get another doctor in our community. At times there are two or three medevacs to Iqaluit. Is it possible for your department to look at providing more physicians or doctors outside of Iqaluit? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) In terms of physicians being located in a community, that’s something we can support, but it’s largely driven by a physician’s desire to be posted in a specific community.

The community would have to be large enough to support the physician because we have physicians who cover multiple communities at a time. It’s something that is possible, but it’s largely driven by a physician’s desire to be stationed in one particular community. Another factor we would have to deal with is around availability of housing,

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4376 which is a constraint when we’re looking at a lot of physicians, such as nursing and other health professionals. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Ms. Nutarak. Ms. Nutarak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it would be beneficial and it would be a cost-saving measure if there was a physician located in Pond Inlet. There are smaller outlying communities that can be serviced by the physician who is based in Pond Inlet.

For example, there was an emergency case in Grise Fiord that had to wait for over 24 hours. Sometimes the medevac aircraft are quite busy, which can lead to longer wait times. If there was a doctor based in Pond Inlet, it would be a cost-saving measure, and I can tell you that there are a lot of vacant government housing units available in our community and we will be receiving more government housing units. Thank you. That’s it for me. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. I think that was just a comment. I believe the minister wants to comment on that. Minister Main. Hon.

John Main (interpretation): We can look at this with medical affairs and have dialogue with health staff and the chief of staff. In emergency cases, we can also provide visual care that is being used more and more. (interpretation ends) We now have virtual care equipment in all of the emergency care areas of health centres. In terms of the member’s question, it is something that’s increasingly becoming an option for emergent needs. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Ms. Nutarak. Ms. Nutarak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would like to re- emphasize that even if there is virtual care, we have many cases of medevacs. Some of them are seen immediately and then they are taken to the boarding home. They are usually seen and then go back home. If there was a doctor or physician located in Pond Inlet, I can assure you it would be a cost-saving measure and that’s the wish of the hamlet council. Thank you for saying that you are going to take a look at it. That’s just a comment. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Next name on my list: Mr. Malliki. Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, for recognizing me once again. I would like to welcome the minister and his officials. With the nurses in the communities, we have had problematic areas in the communities that I represent. They would call the health centre because they wanted to be seen immediately outside of working hours. It’s usually the nurse on call who sees those patients. When they are called, there are some nurses that say they don’t want to see anybody at this time. What can we do to rectify this problem? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon.

John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends)

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4377 When it comes to after-hour care and advice that can be given to patients or residents calling in, in some cases, if the assessment of the health professional on the other end of the line is that the health issue is not emergent, they do have the ability to refer them to the next available time to see a professional. It’s based on the assessment that’s made at the time.

There are some cases where after-hour calls absolutely do need to be seen, specifically for younger children, and that’s something that’s followed closely, but it’s a case-by-case basis and it comes to the symptoms and the specific issues that are being identified. One example of a call that could be deemed non-emergent would be somebody calling the health centre and asking for Claritin because they’re having an itchy rash on their wrists. That might be something where it would be determined that this is not an emergency. I’ll just throw that out there as an example.

There are all kinds of different reasons that people would call a health centre after hours and our staff make efforts to ensure that people are seen as soon as possible based on need. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Malliki. Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We hope to make sure that patients are taken care of before it’s too late or possibly die in cases where they’re refused to be seen by the nurse. Can the minister indicate what is considered an emergency so that the people out there will know when and when not to call? Thank you, Mr.

Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I agree completely with the member. We want to be providing care where it’s needed and we don’t want to provide care or be too late in terms of emergent situations, absolutely. After-hours care is intended for urgent and emergency situations. The specific conditions or the specific symptoms that would be looked for, that’s based on the assessment of the health care professional. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Malliki.

Mr. Malliki (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It seems like the minister is refusing to answer my question. Do you have anything in writing that outlines what is considered an emergency so that we will be informed about what is considered an emergency and what is not? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) In terms of answering these questions, I’m not a health professional myself neither is my deputy and neither is Mr.

Babstock, so I’m just trying to be careful in terms of how I respond here. It’s based upon a clinical assessment of what is an urgent or emergent situation and that can vary depending on the client, depending on if the client has underlying health issues, or depending

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4378 on the age of the client, but in terms of clarifying publicly around what constitutes an emergency and what doesn’t constitute an emergency, it’s something we can follow up on in terms of communicating with the public. It’s a good suggestion. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Following my list of names, Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to follow up on Mr. Malliki’s question, I think it may be of assistance to provide how a patient is triaged.

I think that might help alleviate some of the confusion around here. Whether it is by phone or in person, maybe if the minister would be able to describe that process, it may give some people that are listening some further information. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I think best suited to explain this would be my deputy, if you will allow. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Ms. Hunt. Ms. Hunt: Thank you.

Thank you to the member for the follow-up question. There are a couple of different ways that community members, after hours, as the members asked, can seek health care, seek assessment, or seek information. You can call the health centre and the after-hours nurse or the paramedic that’s on that may be covering can have a conversation with the patient or the family member or the parent of a child that will ask and assess with questions about what the individual is experiencing and what they’re observing.

From there, they may ask the patient to come in for further hands-on assessment and from there, there may be more diagnostics. There may be additional treatment. They may need to make decisions to have them taken out of community for higher levels of care or support. They may end up seeing the virtual nurse. They may bring on a virtual physician or virtual pediatrics from one of our southern partners or even virtual psychiatry.

They may also determine that the issues can wait until the morning and identify a time and provide a scheduled appointment for the individual to be able to come in and see the nurse or other health care professional as required. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For this next question, you can defer me to the more appropriate page, but I still think it is directly related to the directorate.

With the continued and increased use of paramedics in health centres and the decision to go that route, has it added to any complexities regarding increased medevacs or increased calls to the Iqaluit doctors, as an example, here? We all know sometimes you’re sitting in the emergency room here in Iqaluit and there may be two people in there and you still could be there for four hours. I myself understand that the doctors are in

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4379 the back probably helping whether it be a community health nurse or a paramedic in a community through a potentially dangerous situation, so I have the patience to understand that and the knowledge to understand that, but it is difficult when you’re sitting there for four hours and there are only two people in the waiting room. You think, “What the heck is going on here?” Has there been an increased demand on those types of services, such as medevacs or virtual communications with doctors, with the increased use of paramedics in the communities? Thank you.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I think it’s fair to say that bringing paramedics on and having them as part of the teams, depending on the community, has added some complexities around scope of role that paramedics have a much more narrow scope in terms of the duties that they can fulfill. We have made adjustments along the way throughout the paramedic project. It has been a success from our perspective in terms of avoiding closures and keeping health centres open.

When we look at paramedics, they’re very good at stabilizing patients who are in emergent situations, preparing them to travel. However, they don’t have the ability to prescribe medication, for example. That’s not within their scope. It definitely has added complexities. In terms of additional medevacs, we have seen increasing volume over the past couple of years. It’s hard to say whether that is due to the paramedic program or not. There are several other things going on within Nunavut other than just this.

There have been other things changing, so to speak; respiratory illnesses coming out of the COVID pandemic restrictions. The facts are there, though. I terms of the numbers of medevacs, the numbers year over year continue to trend up. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do realize that there are different levels of scope of practice, from a doctor to a nurse practitioner to a registered to licensed practical nurse to paramedic, and that’s kind of where I’m going down this path.

I know there was some success in getting some positons created a few years back to increase the complement of nurse practitioners across the territory. I know I brought this up in the past and I know there have been some challenges in hiring for these indeterminate nurse practitioner positions, but when you’re talking about a scope of practice of what a paramedic can do to what a nurse practitioner can do, theoretically, it would actually decrease the number of medevacs because the scope of care would be able to be increased in the community. I would like to get an update on what progress has been made.

Again, I know there are global challenges in health care professionals, but when we’re talking increases in medevacs, which it’s not a $400 ambulance ride, it’s thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars per trip. I would like to get an update on where

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4380 the department is on nurse practitioner hiring to make sure that we can escalate the level of service in our communities. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I thank the member for raising this. It’s a really good question and all questions are good, but this is a great opportunity to talk about this. We’ve had huge difficulties in filling those nurse practitioner positions. I believe it is four that are currently filled. That’s not for lack of trying.

We have accessed some nurse practitioners through agencies, which are not our first choice, but when they’re available, we will access those resources. Right now, we have a posting out for nurse practitioners. We’re focused on trying to increase the flexibility in terms of the job scheduling for those positions, specifically being able to offer part-time indeterminate employment. That’s based on feedback from applicants and employees, and we’re hopeful that that’s going to assist us. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

While I appreciate that response from the minister, I still think that one of the biggest challenges and not everyone comes north for the adventure, the pay scale or remuneration… . I always want to say re-numeration because it makes more sense in my brain, but it just doesn’t make sense right now. I know specifically of nurse practitioners here in the territory that don’t work in a nurse practitioner position because they make more money as a nurse.

I find that’s really unfortunate because you’re not able to be able to provide that level of care and you’re not expected to provide that level of care, so the appointment process is not smooth to make sure that they’re receiving the level of care. I think the money is one thing and one of those categories that the minister mentioned that needs to be seriously looked at. It has been raised here a number of times. I have raised it myself from both sides of this Chamber. We have given the Department of Human Resources some flexibility to do market adjustments to some salaries.

I have been often quoted as the nurse practitioners should be leading that charge. When Community and Government Services first put forward the method of a market adjustment a number of years back, I thought that would be a perfect segue to get specifically into the nurse practitioners. We’re not even competitive with Ontario’s pay range, so how the heck are we supposed to attract experienced nurse practitioners?

I would like to ask the minister if that is still on the table and if he has had direct communications with the Department of Human Resources on getting the pay scale structure for nurse practitioners adjusted. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main.

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4381 Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) The pay scale issues have been brought to my attention and it is something that we’re interested in addressing. We have been focused on getting our critical staffing measures packages through and getting those implemented. Working with Human Resources on that has been really rewarding and I really appreciate their support in terms of being able to offer tiered bonus structures and incentives, which we’re really hopeful are going to stabilize our workforce at the community level.

We have some communities where you walk into the health centre and there is not a single full-time health professional working there. It’s literally a revolving door facility and it’s not a recipe for good health outcomes. A turnover like that just breeds more turnover and it’s not something we want to see continue. With regard to the market adjustment piece, it is something that has been mentioned before, but in terms of specific plans around bringing forward an adjustment, I don’t have anything to announce at this time. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Hickes.

Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just before I drop this topic, I think it would be a good idea for the department to speak to nurse practitioners that are licensed to practise in the territory, whether they’re working in that scope or not, to get some feedback on what some of the low-hanging fruit that can take to keep those people working in the territory and allow them to work in their full capability of their licence. I would like to go to third party funding and positions that are associated with it. In the ‘24-25 fiscal year there were over 120 positions that are being funded by third party monies.

My first question would be: out of those positions, I believe the exact number is 122.5 person years, how many are long-term funded positions and how many are project- specific that there are sunsets to the funding? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Yes, the member is correct; the number is 122.5.

In terms of making the differentiation between long-term physicians as opposed to term-limited, we don’t have that level of detail here with us today in terms of breaking that number down, but it’s something I can commit to following up with in writing. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Hickes. Mr. Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that the minister doesn’t have that level of detail and the point I’m trying to make, I’ll let the minister off. I don’t really need to know the breakdown right now.

The point I’m trying to make is that oftentimes when third party funding that funds a position runs out, there is still that expectation of that service delivery by the Department of Health across the

Wednesday, February 28, 2024 Nunavut Hansard 4382 territory. Oftentimes those positions are maintained by the department and then become the responsibility of being funded by the department. When I look at, I think it was a year ago this time, it might have been a little bit longer, where we were talking about unfunded positions and I know some of them are clerk interpreters and just through the demand in certain health centres, but that level of expectation of providing service from some of these third party funds puts extra strain on maintaining that level of service.

I would like to just get some feedback from the minister’s position on how the third party funded positions transition over to Government of Nunavut Department of Health funded positions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Main. Hon. John Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) The member raises a really pertinent topic. When we look at some of the ongoing negotiations that we are in with our fe

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